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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory

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but for new knowledge of the

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supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio where we

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explore the unexplained live on beyond

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explanation i'm your host blonde

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strickler coming to you within a candid

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of the hallowed fields of gettysburg

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pennsylvania

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now this week you know i wanted to

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present a very special tribute to our

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friend and colleague

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the late crypto investigator jc johnson

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uh you know from crypto four corners to

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other cases throughout the country

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we will discuss many of our fond

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remembrances of jc

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his theories and the cases that he

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investigated

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so and also the folks in the chat if you

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have questions uh go ahead and post it

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up there in caps

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and we'll try to answer it as we go so

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folks then thanks again for joining me

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this evening

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and uh we have with us summer lowry

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and uh i think later on eric altman from

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beyond the edge who i used to work with

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on that channel for that show years ago

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so uh

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thanks for coming on summer how are you

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doing

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yeah well there you go rick erickson

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with us as well

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thanks for having me though yeah uh i'm

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doing good doing doing that you're all

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right yeah and eric thanks for joining

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me this evening uh you and i

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we first thought started talking to

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and i think you had interviewed jc

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before i even joined with you and uh

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sean over beyond the edge

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yeah many many years ago

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yeah wasn't i on that show with them

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with it was jc and i

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i well i don't know i think you may have

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been with me but i don't know you know

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god how many i mean that's been what

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so summer let me start with you and uh

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tell us how you met jc some of the

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things that you're involved in some of

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the fondest memories you had of him

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sure sure so actually i think how we met

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just shows so much about his character

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so i'll tell you guys about that a

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little bit first i tried to keep that

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short so we can get to the good stuff

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but uh so it was a uh march of 2014. i'm

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at my best friend's house we're watching

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um destination america and of course

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monsters and mysteries in america comes

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and um i'm like naming off all the

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guests um you know the guest

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cryptozoologists like you lon jc and

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some of the other ones and i like know

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everything about them and i can like

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quote word for word what they're going

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to say because i watched it so much my

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friends like you seriously need to be a

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cryptozoologist this is insane and i'm

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like yeah right you can't do that it's

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not i can go to school for it you know

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and he goes i dare you to message all

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these people on here and i guarantee you

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they'll respond i'm like we literally

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had a bet going so the first person i

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messaged was jc

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and i think all i said was i would love

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to pick your brain um i saw you on

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monsters and mysteries in america um

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and that was it and literally like

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before i could even look for anybody

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else he had already messaged me

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and was like oh absolutely would you be

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it would be okay if uh you know i called

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you because it's so much easier and i'm

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like i was just like shocked in utter

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shock like are you kidding me this can't

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be real no it was real

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and uh by we you know it went from there

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for so that was march right

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no it was i'm sorry that was january of

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2014 by march i was already in new

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mexico working with c4c

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uh you know that's that's just crazy i

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mean he he he came through i had nothing

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he worked his butt off doing whatever

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roofing or whatever he could do to get

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me down there um you know bought me

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boots he had surprises for me he bought

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me a knife and boots and it was just the

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sweetest thing ever like he was just

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such a good guy that i don't know it's

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it's it's hard to wrap your brain around

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you know you see someone on tv and then

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they're so responsive it's just crazy

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but yeah that's how i met him

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i won that bet or i lost that bet i'm

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sorry

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i lost it

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eric um

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now you and i have interviewed jc i know

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you interviewed before what are your

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what are your fondest memories of jc

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oh my gosh lon the stories that he would

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share with us

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the cases the

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the dinosaurs that he was chasing yeah

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the the hairy creatures the

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the um the night stalkers oh so many

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fantastic stories and

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um cases that he worked on he shared

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with us on the show and one thing i

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um like you and i we always chatted we

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always got along really well he was like

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part of the family and he had a name he

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called me brother man whenever he talked

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to me he said eric brother man how are

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you and he was just an amazing human

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yeah i really miss him um i miss his

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stories i miss chat with him he just had

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so much information he was willing to

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share so freely with anybody who would

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want to hear it and i think you and i

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were really blessed to have him on the

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show oh yeah yeah i think he opened up a

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lot of avenues for um

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for crypto investigators and of course

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you were more involved with

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what was going on in pennsylvania

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especially with bigfoot but the stories

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that he had the furry ones and uh some

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of the some of the anomalies and

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in uh

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in the uh danae navajo reservation area

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and up in the four corners were pretty

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fascinating you know i actually first

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met him online i gave him a phone call

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i think it was june of 2010

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he had put a video up on youtube about

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him in a plane he was actually one of

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the puddle jumpers flying over the

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reservation he was pointing out areas

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where he had had

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encounters and things he had seen

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it was interesting to the fact that he

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pointing all this stuff out and i'm

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thinking i never heard this guy

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i don't know who the hell he is but i

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gotta talk to him

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and that's what i did and uh i actually

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was able to get his phone number and i

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called him on the phone

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and we talked for hours

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and uh i told him that you know i had

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been doing the blog

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and that you know i thought what he was

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investigating were just was just

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fascinating

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and it so happened that he said you know

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there's a there's some cases i'm working

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in particular uh we have

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collected some some samples of uh

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bigfoot samples

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we're actually talking about getting

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involved in the kitchen dna study i mean

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that was even known back then that this

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so he asked me said would you mind

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documenting some of this some of my

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cases on your blog

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and i said absolutely and that's how i

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got to know jc

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it was amazing and i he taught me so

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much

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i i think he probably taught me more

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about cryptozoology

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and about the unknown than anybody else

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you know i've been doing this for a long

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time i've been doing this since

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you know back since the 70s

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and uh yeah it's um

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he was just he was he was he was so

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so personable

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so uh summer what else you got to talk

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about what what kind of things did you

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and jc get involved with

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i mean we got right to it really when i

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got down there um yeah

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it was it was really a blast uh i was

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there for i was unfortunately only there

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for about four months working with him

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we went on about four expeditions um i

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happened to be i was

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horribly horribly homesick

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it was it was bad and jc was always so

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nice about it and you know comforting

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and stuff but i just couldn't do it at

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the end i had to go um i just wasn't

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feeling um

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i don't know

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certain places i feel like

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geographically like our human spirit

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doesn't really like it there and mine

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did not and then for whatever reason i

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wanted to be there but anyway we uh my

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encounter uh with jc is

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i don't know if you've heard of it it's

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beautiful there

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so there

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to get to the uh

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the rock paintings across the river from

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where the campsite is you have to

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traverse the river there's no other way

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across on this property but but to canoe

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it is

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again it's march the river is freezing

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cold it's moving fast and it's high

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yeah

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and uh so

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you know i was nervous i had never been

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in a kayak before and you know jc he was

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an expert

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and uh he didn't go it was being another

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girl her name is summer uh she was with

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us she has actually our neighbor and um

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she was a cool chick um

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and so she but she was badass like way

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she's like oh hell yeah i've kayaked

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hundreds of times and i'm like i

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literally don't even know how to get in

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like what am i doing anyway she's like

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i'll go first and you can go right after

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me so of course you know jc had already

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told me all about the kayaks

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and the canoes and stuff you know and

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told me how to deal with them and the

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one thing that was ringing in my ears

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the whole time was don't lose the boat

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he's like tie that boat to your life

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right

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so i did

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well

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i didn't know that this river looked way

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deeper than it was i had never been

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there i didn't know that it was only

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like waist deep in the middle well she

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goes across just

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gets it like nails it just beautifully

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right you had to like go to the right

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against the current you know upstream a

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little bit and like kind of swing around

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to to make it across to be able to go

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fast enough you know because it's moving

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quick

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and oh my goodness this is embarrassing

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um i she gets off and she's like come on

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you're good and i try to do what she

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does and i epically fail i get all the

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way to

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i'm just a few feet from the other shore

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and i start to turn my my canoe starts

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to go backwards into the rapids and so

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you know i try to correct myself while i

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over correct and my um my orc is stuck

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in the rocks and i i flip right over

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i'm swimming now and i pop my head up

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and i promise you

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all i could hear was jc screaming from

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the campsite don't you lose that boat

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you don't lose that boat

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and i'm just like i'm thinking at this

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point i realized i can sit in the water

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and i'm my head's above it it's not that

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serious but at first i'm like really the

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boat jay-z anyway it was just it was

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adorable because he knew i would be fine

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i didn't know i would be fine i'm

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thinking i'm dead here we go it's over

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i'm drowning

348
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anyway that just yeah that was a fun day

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so i had to i was too afraid to go back

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across but the only way across is to go

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so i made

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jc

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walk over through the freezing river

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to bring me waders because i wasn't

355
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doing it i'm like i'm never getting in

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the kayak again i haven't to this day

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nope

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needless to say that the paintings were

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beautiful

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absolutely yeah the petroglyphs on

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along the san juan are really

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interesting uh and that that river was

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he he knew that river like the back of

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his hand and uh oh yeah some of the

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stories that he had coming out of there

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some of the sightings uh

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uh some of the furry one encounters he

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had from the cliffs above the san juan

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and some of the other stuff that he had

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talked about

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uh i mean they were they were just

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fascinating stories fascinating accounts

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and um

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you know

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it's

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you know i i never i never met i never

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met uh jc in person

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and i always promised that i was gonna

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come down there

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and uh because i was i was a fly

381
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fisherman i just i was just begging to

382
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go out and say i want to go fishing out

383
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there

384
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but uh yeah it that's that's you know

385
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that's probably the biggest regret i had

386
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that i never met him in person

387
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now eric uh what other uh what other

388
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accounts you want to bring up about jc

389
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um

390
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i remember

391
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back this is going back to 2008 with the

392
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uh the sasquatch and the freezer uh

393
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fiasco going on and jc was

394
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embroiled in the middle of that and i

395
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remember distinctly seeing the new shows

396
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the the coverage

397
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seeing jc pulling out all those uh

398
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roadkill remains and

399
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dead carcasses from the freezer um that

400
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biscardi had instructed him to do

401
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and i kept thinking in the back of my

402
00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:52,399
mind man jc you are so much above this

403
00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:54,320
why are you doing this

404
00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:56,160
and i always have

405
00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:58,160
visions in my head of jc doing that just

406
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reaching with his arms and pulling up

407
00:15:05,189 --> 00:15:02,959
these big chunks of meat in that costume

408
00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:05,199
i do too i can't get that out of my head

409
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:07,600
like why stop no

410
00:15:11,829 --> 00:15:09,920
yeah i i can never figure out why he was

411
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running around with with biscardi in the

412
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first place but yeah that always sticks

413
00:15:19,269 --> 00:15:16,399
with me seeing jc doing that and why he

414
00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,279
why he agreed to do that i'll never know

415
00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:21,519
well i'll tell you that whole fiasco i

416
00:15:25,110 --> 00:15:23,440
you know i could do a couple shows on

417
00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:25,120
that be honest with you i don't even

418
00:15:27,670 --> 00:15:26,800
want to go back and talk about that but

419
00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:27,680
that was

420
00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:31,759
embarrassing moments in cryptozoology

421
00:15:39,430 --> 00:15:36,949
that was just terror i mean for for

422
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:39,440
bigfoot investigators and researchers it

423
00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:40,639
was just

424
00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:43,440
it was sacrilege and uh you know there

425
00:15:46,389 --> 00:15:44,800
you were right a lot of people got

426
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:46,399
caught up in that

427
00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:47,680
and um

428
00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:49,199
you know i think that's a shame why

429
00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:50,800
shawn isn't here tonight because sean

430
00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:52,800
could really talk about that

431
00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:54,480
because he knew some of the characters

432
00:15:59,350 --> 00:15:57,040
involved so uh yeah

433
00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:59,360
but anyway we're here to talk about jc

434
00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:01,199
you know i um

435
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:03,040
i think the first case that i i got

436
00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:05,279
involved with with jc or documented for

437
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:07,759
jc was at fruitland where he had

438
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:08,880
actually

439
00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:12,480
started collecting this this bigfoot dna

440
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:14,720
and he had a few theories

441
00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:17,600
about uh about what was going on it's

442
00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:19,680
interesting there was a

443
00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:23,600
a pvc pipe that and i think you know

444
00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:26,720
what i'm talking about uh it was when

445
00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:30,639
they they saw they found this uh

446
00:16:35,110 --> 00:16:32,480
pvc pipe that a

447
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:35,120
big hole in the top of it

448
00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:36,959
and apparently

449
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:38,639
a bigfoot had

450
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:42,959
tried to get a scrap skunk out of there

451
00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:46,399
in order to uh retrieve

452
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:49,839
the uh the glands from this skunk to use

453
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:52,560
as some type of um

454
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:56,639
scent camouflage or scent covering for a

455
00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:59,279
young furry one i mean that was jc's

456
00:17:03,269 --> 00:17:01,360
theory it was an interesting theory

457
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:03,279
but in the meantime

458
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:05,600
there was bigfoot blood and tissue that

459
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:08,640
was retrieved from that pvc pipe

460
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:10,240
that had cut itself when it went

461
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:11,919
interact with it and that was some of

462
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:13,199
the main

463
00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:21,510
you know that that that alone fascinated

464
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:23,600
me uh that was the first thing i'd ever

465
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:26,720
got you know ever documented from him

466
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:30,320
and uh and not long after that we had uh

467
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:32,400
he would been talking about the furry

468
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:33,760
ones

469
00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:35,520
uh up in luka

470
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,080
chuka was up in the mountains him and

471
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:40,640
leonard dan were up there and um

472
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:42,960
a few other in fact i think david

473
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:45,679
weatherly was with in that time

474
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:46,400
but

475
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,360
i remember david was talking about

476
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:51,360
when they were up there that they had a

477
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:54,000
few aggressive furry ones

478
00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:57,039
throwing stones and pine cones at them

479
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:58,880
while they were in the campsite it was

480
00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,720
pretty harrowing from what david was

481
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:02,320
telling me

482
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:05,200
and they threw a tree trunk at them i

483
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:06,240
did it

484
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:07,679
i don't doubt it

485
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:08,720
yeah

486
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,080
i remember david on our show telling

487
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:12,080
them they threw a tree trunk at the

488
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:20,630
yeah yeah i do i've actually i um have

489
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:23,280
been to fruitland um it's obviously not

490
00:18:26,789 --> 00:18:25,280
and it's not in this we can't tell you

491
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,799
exactly where it's at because it's top

492
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:28,799
secret yeah as you know

493
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:30,799
but uh it's a place called we called it

494
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:32,880
the wastelands um

495
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:34,640
um as far as the fruitland goes and then

496
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:37,760
lukachukai look at you guys just wild

497
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:39,919
i don't even yeah that's something

498
00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:41,600
that's up in apache county that's up in

499
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:44,480
arizona but it's up in the islands yeah

500
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:46,880
yeah really high up there um no but the

501
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:50,320
yeah i have it so the fruitland um area

502
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:52,799
expedition we had went on

503
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,360
that one was weird for me um we found

504
00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:57,360
some really awesome

505
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:58,799
what looked like

506
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,919
um some kind of feline prints that were

507
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:03,520
quite irregular

508
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,000
um there's pictures of them on

509
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:08,080
in one of jc's albums actually on both

510
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,440
of our facebooks

511
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:10,960
under the wastelands trip if anybody

512
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:13,679
wants to look there was like a canopy of

513
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,360
these just dead

514
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:17,520
trees like huge canopy and so we camped

515
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:19,600
under that um we got our tents and stuff

516
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:21,039
we all had our own tent there was about

517
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:23,440
five of us and i was closest to the

518
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:25,919
river the san juan ran directly behind

519
00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:28,720
just a few hundred feet away from camp

520
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,120
and uh so initially i was just gonna be

521
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,200
sleeping by myself well i kept

522
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:35,280
hearing these like

523
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,400
i don't even know i think it was

524
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,480
if i had to it was like

525
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:42,720
it was like whooping howling noises that

526
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,600
weren't

527
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,679
it wasn't i know animal sounds it wasn't

528
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:47,679
a dog you know it wasn't a cat it wasn't

529
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,880
a bear it was you know what i mean it

530
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:51,360
wasn't javelina and javelina really were

531
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,960
the only things and coyotes that

532
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:54,080
shouldn't even even been out there

533
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:56,000
period because it was so far into the

534
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:59,200
desert i mean it was literally

535
00:21:22,070 --> 00:20:00,480
i

536
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:22,080
but just you're so far out there you

537
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,880
don't

538
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:24,400
you know we're out there looking for

539
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:25,840
prints and tracks

540
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:27,840
and samples we weren't really you know

541
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,720
planning on doing any filming or audio

542
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:32,799
recording but i know now to be more

543
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,200
prepared because that was insane

544
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,200
you know there was also um there was

545
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,000
also a case that i remember now

546
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,320
it was an area on hog back

547
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:45,200
in new mexico it was on the reservation

548
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:46,000
uh

549
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,039
where

550
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,000
jc had actually started back in march of

551
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:51,919
2010

552
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:54,880
investigating uh the mutilation of 24

553
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:56,840
sheep out there on this

554
00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:59,679
farm and uh

555
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:02,400
actually when he was there

556
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:05,840
the the the owner was telling him that

557
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,400
there were large talon marks but very

558
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,640
little blood on these sheep

559
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,640
no evisceration nothing the blood was

560
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,400
just missing

561
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:16,240
and um

562
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:17,360
you know they were trying to figure out

563
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,480
what it was and and jc's theory was

564
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:23,440
that it was a large uh flying predator

565
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,039
possibly a pterosaur type and look there

566
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,039
have been pterosaur sightings out there

567
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,600
on the reservation as well

568
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:33,039
and uh

569
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:34,480
but they were trying to figure out why

570
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,039
the carcass was left intact you know it

571
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,280
was very similar to the attacks that

572
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:41,520
people had been describing in puerto

573
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,240
rico and such with the chupacabras and

574
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,559
some of those other attacks but jc was

575
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,559
pretty sure that this thing was flying

576
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,760
in

577
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,919
uh you know

578
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:52,880
you know

579
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:55,919
it's just one of the many wild cases and

580
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,960
stuff that was coming going on out there

581
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,200
and uh you know it was always

582
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,919
interesting because i would get a

583
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,760
i would be it i would be at home and

584
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,520
work on the blog and then a text would

585
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,679
come up it's from jc i got something for

586
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,360
you to look at i got something out you

587
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,600
know so he just threw the information

588
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,080
out at me he'd make a video and he

589
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,840
always made a video

590
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,640
and uh in fact his videos are still

591
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,480
still available i mean i think his

592
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:24,640
daughter's allowing the videos to stay

593
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,760
up

594
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,600
uh some of the most fascinating stuff

595
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,760
you'd ever want to hear

596
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,120
so um

597
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,280
yeah and look eric you think of anything

598
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,880
while we're talking just go ahead and

599
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,200
butt in uh you know tell us what you

600
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,200
have to say

601
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,080
you know if if if i might just say one

602
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:44,320
thing to add to before we get too off

603
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,640
track um so

604
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,799
me personally and i think

605
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,520
i had mentioned this to jc as well and

606
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,679
he definitely was on board with the

607
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,400
theory that you know lon i know you know

608
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,480
about the elizabeth lake monster i think

609
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:00,960
it like you said a pterosaur

610
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,840
due to the geographic location uh the

611
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,679
you know where one each of those

612
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,000
locations are i would not be surprised

613
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,799
whatsoever if those are connected to the

614
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,159
same um

615
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,760
you know being

616
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:15,279
uh really

617
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,559
well you know

618
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:18,000
it's

619
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,520
you know he swore

620
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,600
that he thought pterosaur type beings

621
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,760
were on the reservation in particular

622
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,520
all around the fourth corners

623
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,360
uh i mean of course he was talking about

624
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:29,520
the flying humanoids when like eric

625
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,640
mentioned

626
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,080
the uh

627
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,919
you know he gave it that he gave it the

628
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:36,000
name of um

629
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,000
oh what was the name he gave it oh

630
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:43,279
i don't know i forget but

631
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:46,720
it brought a lot of attention the uh

632
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:50,130
thunderbird now yeah the night stalker

633
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,279
[Music]

634
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:53,760
yeah yeah yeah that was an amazing tale

635
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:54,640
i mean

636
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,120
he had the interviews with the girl who

637
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,400
was involved with it and the family

638
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:03,679
uh

639
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,960
you know something similar to what we've

640
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:11,600
been getting in chicago actually

641
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,640
uh this uh this wing being that was

642
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,960
coming out of the cornfields nearby this

643
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,080
home

644
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:22,960
that was literally stalking

645
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:25,919
this female member of the family

646
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,120
and this thing was tearing up sides of

647
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,919
the the the the

648
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,320
double wide that they lived in

649
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,840
uh

650
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:36,640
the

651
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,559
and it was just amazing stuff and like

652
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,799
look these cases folks

653
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:50,880
i i do have them listed on the blog i

654
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,679
mean it's under the the jc's link on the

655
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,880
on the right hand column of the blog but

656
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,799
i've got pictures of all the damage to

657
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,080
the truck

658
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:02,400
uh to the rabbit cage where this thing

659
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,919
actually tried to get in to kill a

660
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:05,120
rabbit

661
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,080
um

662
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,640
along the uh the muddy claw marks on the

663
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,559
side of the house

664
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,200
and you know this girl this girl that he

665
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,080
interviewed the daughter

666
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,720
actually stated that she called it

667
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,559
something very similar to the creeper

668
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,279
from jeepers creepers and you know

669
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,440
these sightings that we have got in and

670
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,760
around the chicago area are a lot of

671
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:30,000
people are describing the same thing now

672
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,440
i don't think it's the same type of

673
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:32,880
being

674
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,799
but uh who knows what it was and um

675
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,400
her description was it was covered in

676
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,840
gray hair

677
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,159
and then it had uh three clawed

678
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,799
appendages on the on the hands that were

679
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,480
very visible

680
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,640
the torso the head height of the beam

681
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,039
was about five foot splitting

682
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:52,640
which would make it approximately eight

683
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,919
to nine foot in full height

684
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:57,679
there is an indication that the being

685
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,840
had wings which would explain the odd

686
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:01,760
patches of trampled

687
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:04,799
corn stalks in the field as would fly

688
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,919
and land indiscriminately

689
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,720
um you know what do you remember from

690
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,679
what you remember from that case eric

691
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,400
i remember him he and leonard dan on the

692
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,480
show talked about that case

693
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,360
in great detail and how they went to the

694
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,799
farm

695
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,120
the the property and they found scratch

696
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,720
marks on the air conditioning unit

697
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,320
outside her window like it was trying to

698
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,320
claw its way in and i remember him

699
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,559
talking about the female witness and how

700
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,799
she was scared to death of this thing

701
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,399
coming around at night at first her

702
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,159
family didn't believe her but then they

703
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:39,919
eventually heard it up on the roof of

704
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:42,960
the uh the double wide walking around

705
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,520
and how jc and the leonard dan said they

706
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,120
had actually followed tracks of this

707
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,440
thing out into the cornfield before it

708
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,600
flew off and they saw a lot of evidence

709
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,760
so i remember that case really well if

710
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,080
i'm not mistaken that female witness

711
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,080
actually made an episode

712
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,320
of i think monsters and mysteries in

713
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:02,559
america if i'm not mistaken she was on

714
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,840
that episode yeah yeah and that case was

715
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,240
probably one of one of the most favorite

716
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,360
i can recall of jc talking about to us

717
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,279
on the show because

718
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,279
as he did describe it it sounded a lot

719
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,679
like that jeepers creepers thing

720
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:19,200
the way he described it wait the witness

721
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,760
described it so very creepy stuff

722
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:23,919
yeah and also the in the in the the

723
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,399
biggest reason why the girl was upset

724
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,279
was

725
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:29,919
that at night this thing seemed to have

726
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,960
some type of ability psychic ability to

727
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:34,799
control her

728
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,320
have it come through the window or

729
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,240
through the door in the doorway or

730
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,240
something but she would literally get up

731
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,559
at night and said that she was literally

732
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:46,240
controlled by this thing

733
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,200
it was a bizarre story i i do know

734
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,279
that she did leave home a couple months

735
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,600
after and um

736
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,159
and move to the nearest town but she

737
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,159
wanted to get away from there but you're

738
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,480
right it was on that that episode that

739
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,200
was called um

740
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,919
oh i know

741
00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:07,840
something about the desert or something

742
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:09,070
but it was one of the earlier

743
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,240
[Music]

744
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,080
monsters and mysteries of america's

745
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,000
episodes it was kind of the year before

746
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,640
i did my episode with the uh with the

747
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,279
sliceville monster yeah yeah you talked

748
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,679
to us before he before that show aired

749
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,360
yeah it was kind of neat to see who the

750
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,000
witness was and see the actual location

751
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,000
where it happened and everything that

752
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,679
she talked about i mean it was spot on

753
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:31,360
what jc told us

754
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:32,159
yeah

755
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,159
as we're all jc's account you know um

756
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:40,880
the the furry one encounters were always

757
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,520
interesting um

758
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,760
there was uh there was one i remember

759
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:47,360
particular

760
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,440
how in the uh the area of the um

761
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,279
valley kedara

762
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,679
called daryl in new mexico which is a

763
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,559
well-known area for a lot of weird stuff

764
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,240
there have been people as saying they've

765
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,279
seen lichens and cougars bears coyotes

766
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,799
dog men

767
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:06,880
hairy hominids and extraterrestrial

768
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,159
activity and in fact there was one

769
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,480
episode where a ranching family had lost

770
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:15,120
40 head of cattle in one

771
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:16,960
one night

772
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,240
and he was called out to that location

773
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:22,799
uh jc seemed to think it was something

774
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,679
to do with reported covert military

775
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:27,520
activity he wasn't really sure what it

776
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:28,640
was

777
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,760
so um you know this is you know for

778
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,840
people who are not familiar with jc and

779
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,480
some of the things that he investigated

780
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:38,880
uh like again like i said again you go

781
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:39,480
to

782
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,559
hand column

783
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:44,960
you'll see the uh cryptid four corners

784
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,840
international investigations from jc

785
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:48,960
johnson

786
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,760
and those cases are listed there

787
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:52,960
but uh

788
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,840
you know uh and some of the people that

789
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,519
jc worked with

790
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:59,760
especially at leonard dan and of course

791
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:00,960
david

792
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,320
uh kevin puckett were on there that team

793
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,640
as well and he had a lot of the local

794
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,399
individuals working as well as the

795
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,480
rangers who were

796
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,320
you know involved with a lot of the

797
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:16,399
things on the reservation

798
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,000
um you know there was a um

799
00:31:23,470 --> 00:31:21,440
there was a

800
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:23,480
tv

801
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,440
presentation of the um of the the navajo

802
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:30,240
rangers involved with a an upright

803
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:32,960
canine setting on the reservation i

804
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,990
yeah i had myself muted sorry

805
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,480
yeah there was a tv show called i

806
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:46,960
believe was called navajo cops

807
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,519
right into that effect

808
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,120
yeah they chased something up into a

809
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,120
hillside into a cave

810
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,360
and they caught evidence on their their

811
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:58,080
cameras of i shine reflecting back from

812
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,919
that cave and the two officers and i

813
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,360
don't blame them weren't going to go

814
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,960
into that cave after it but they they

815
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,480
definitely caught some kind of upright

816
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,880
animal i think if i'm not mistaken one

817
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,440
of the officers on that ridge actually

818
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,360
saw the thing crawl up the hill and

819
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,960
disappear into the cave but i remember

820
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,120
that episode yeah i've seen that

821
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,679
yeah that's the video i have the video

822
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:19,360
um

823
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:20,320
of the

824
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,519
the the camera footage of it running up

825
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,840
the hill as they kind of are chasing it

826
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,120
with the camera

827
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,039
it runs up the hill and like stops kind

828
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,679
of by a rock and it turns and then it

829
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,120
sits there for a second and then it

830
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,440
scurries away and then i'm assuming

831
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,880
i've never seen what you're talking

832
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,080
about the the

833
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:39,600
where it goes into the cave i've seen it

834
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,480
after

835
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:42,720
but uh yeah i think i have that video in

836
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,919
my uh facebook messenger from jc i think

837
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,080
there was a yeah i think there was a a

838
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:49,679
section of the video where they had the

839
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:52,000
eye shine coming out of the um

840
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,279
out of the cave as well of this thing

841
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:58,080
so that was pretty interesting you know

842
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,880
and

843
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,080
but just

844
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:02,320
you know jc just didn't cover cryptids i

845
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,519
mean

846
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,600
uh he got involved with some

847
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,000
extraterrestrial activity as well and

848
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,640
the one case that i remember

849
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:13,120
was a a couple by the name of bradford

850
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,000
and maria who lived up near gallup

851
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,399
and uh

852
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,960
they had witnessed a series of gunshots

853
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,200
heavy ground artillery not far from

854
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:25,360
their home they were living in a hogan

855
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,720
actually

856
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,279
and um

857
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,840
soon afterwards bright lights appeared

858
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,919
from above their hogan

859
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,440
and uh

860
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:37,039
the lights were so bright that he

861
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,240
illuminated the inside of the hog on and

862
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,919
through the windows incredibly through

863
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,760
the tiny cracks and walls and and

864
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:49,430
caused discipline orientation

865
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,399
and

866
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,399
when they looked out they saw a

867
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:54,960
honeycomb shape of ray coming from a

868
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:57,760
craft hovering above them

869
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,519
and uh he did an incredible video

870
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,360
which you can get the link of and i

871
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,799
think i think

872
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,559
you talking about summer summer schmidt

873
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:08,960
he was the girl you were talking about

874
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,679
uh summer um yep and

875
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:14,399
her puppy and she was she was amazing

876
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,919
yeah i love her i miss her i i really do

877
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,079
and the witnesses they said they made

878
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:22,560
their way towards the main house behind

879
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,919
the hoogon

880
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,919
and as they were running they noticed a

881
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:28,159
salsa shaped craft hovering over the

882
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,200
house

883
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,280
with multi-colored lights rotating

884
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,200
around it and the beams were displaying

885
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,960
from different directions

886
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,359
and other non-descript craft now these

887
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:40,000
craft were creating torrents of strong

888
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:40,960
wind

889
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,760
that literally pushed the opinion in

890
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,679
juniper trees to the ground

891
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,200
and i remember seeing pictures of that

892
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:49,280
from jc where they just flattened these

893
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,159
things

894
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,839
um

895
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:54,079
he also noticed very small entities

896
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,599
scurrying around the

897
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,280
closed dogs

898
00:35:02,550 --> 00:34:59,040
suddenly causing the dogs to stop

899
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,560
barking and and rendered unconscious

900
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:03,839
now

901
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,359
into it

902
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,040
and uh

903
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,359
and some of the other investigators he

904
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,440
had a the you track he had john uh

905
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:16,400
catalina john he was a tracker that

906
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,560
worked with jc on that case as well

907
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,320
and uh

908
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,200
during that confrontation

909
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:27,119
one of the witness bradford stated that

910
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,480
his uncle

911
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,640
literally had been battling one of these

912
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,680
entities in his house which was nearby

913
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,040
and

914
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:37,680
it either it became apparent that the

915
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,040
uncle either in cast incapacitated

916
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,119
or killed the being

917
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:45,200
and i don't know if you remember this

918
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:48,960
eric but jc was talking about

919
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,480
later a a gentleman that he called the

920
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,480
universal soldier that was his term for

921
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,680
this guy

922
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,599
but it was definitely military guy he

923
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,839
came in there all decked up had all the

924
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:02,240
equipment and everything with him

925
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:06,560
and he had a cryo container in the back

926
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,520
of this

927
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:09,839
uh suv

928
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,200
and he literally went into the house

929
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,079
took this beans body and put it in that

930
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,640
cryo container and that was the evidence

931
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,359
that was the the um

932
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:23,920
that was the statements that the

933
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,800
witnesses actually gave

934
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,800
um i i don't know if you remember that

935
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,160
eric but that was

936
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:32,560
yeah that that case was

937
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,800
really interesting it later led to um

938
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,359
jc going out later on

939
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,440
with one of his investigators in which

940
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,160
he had an encounter with a black-eyed

941
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,760
female

942
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,240
which left him in cast incapacitated

943
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:51,200
actually jc got deathly ill from it

944
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,640
i i think that encounter

945
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,640
was something that stuck with him for a

946
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:59,280
long time physically i really do i mean

947
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,079
you know

948
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:02,640
jc told me for years

949
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,640
that he thought that encounter had

950
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:07,760
literally

951
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,960
physically hurt him and continued to

952
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,119
incapacitate him

953
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:16,160
as he got older and uh you know

954
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,520
i guess it's

955
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,839
you know i guess you know that came

956
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,599
directly from him

957
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,760
so uh

958
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,160
you know i don't know what that happened

959
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:28,000
during that incident but it was really

960
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,359
interesting

961
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,440
uh do you remember any of that summer

962
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,680
him talking about that incident

963
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:36,640
oh yeah it it that one shook him to the

964
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,760
core um he was pretty fearless but

965
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,160
he would say it it zapped him

966
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,280
you know it zapped him uh

967
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,359
his energy you know it's like literally

968
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:49,520
like his essence or something you know

969
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,480
and it's funny um it was not funny but i

970
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,400
actually had an experience with an

971
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:57,200
artifact that we were um

972
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:58,320
had the

973
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,119
uh

974
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,440
honor of going and being able to see at

975
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:03,839
leela captain's uh place out at this

976
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,720
museum out by uh ship rock new mexico

977
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,160
um

978
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,200
it was it was it was odd but he he like

979
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,480
attributed my my um

980
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,160
my ailments the things that i was

981
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,760
experiencing after touching this object

982
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:19,119
it was he was like that's literally

983
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,400
exactly

984
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,359
how i i remember feeling when you know

985
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:25,599
we encountered that black eyed being

986
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,760
and uh it's just strange like you touch

987
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,280
something you feel it like vibration you

988
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:31,200
know everything has like you know energy

989
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,400
you know you can feel it sometimes and

990
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,359
sometimes it's more intense for people

991
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,160
and i touch this thing i promise you

992
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,280
i it was like somebody gave me

993
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:43,520
uh you know sleeping medication like i

994
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,680
couldn't stand i had he had to walk me

995
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:47,200
to the truck

996
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:47,920
to

997
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,680
sleep in the truck for the rest of the

998
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,839
rest of the trip i could not open my

999
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,880
eyes i was that tired it was the

1000
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,240
weirdest thing ever and i was like that

1001
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,720
for a few days it was it was it was it

1002
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:01,200
was taxing and he's like i was like the

1003
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,800
exact same way when you know we

1004
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,760
encounter that being so i don't know

1005
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:07,040
yeah

1006
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:07,839
well

1007
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,160
you know as as time went on i i was

1008
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:12,839
documenting more and more of what jc was

1009
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:15,960
doing uh in in

1010
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:19,760
2015 he got called out

1011
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,359
uh to a case uh near the san juan river

1012
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,599
in the vicinity of the north uh four

1013
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:26,720
corners

1014
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,359
and you and i both know george harvey

1015
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,680
and it was his homestead

1016
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,520
uh which included his mother and his

1017
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,400
siblings and um i think dr christopher

1018
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,560
was along with them on that he was

1019
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,680
he worked for the anthropology

1020
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:40,880
department at the university of new

1021
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,000
mexico i think near gallop

1022
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:49,750
this was the findings from this as well

1023
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:52,720
became part of the um the

1024
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:55,119
kitchen dna study

1025
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,109
you know george um

1026
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,520
george harvey had previously

1027
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,880
chronicled the behavior of the sasquatch

1028
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:08,880
for many years one of the furry ones

1029
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:11,359
around his homestead

1030
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:12,720
and uh

1031
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,079
during one particular incident george uh

1032
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,319
observed an adult and two juvenile

1033
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,599
bigfoot walked towards the mesa behind

1034
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,680
his home

1035
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,440
dr christopher

1036
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:28,000
noted that the face of the mesa may have

1037
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:31,599
been at a 45 degree angle

1038
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,319
and george noted that the bigfoot easily

1039
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,760
traversed

1040
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:38,160
the steep ascent to the top in order to

1041
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:42,160
gather food nearby cornfield and orchard

1042
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,359
and

1043
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:45,440
there had been many incidents of stone

1044
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,400
barrages on the property as well

1045
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:53,109
but the most interesting of part about

1046
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,000
this whole thing was an interview

1047
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,960
that um dr christopher

1048
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:00,880
had with um

1049
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,760
with

1050
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:04,480
alex who's george's sister

1051
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,560
uh this took place on january 11 2015

1052
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:10,160
the video

1053
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,680
actually still up on jc's channel which

1054
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,000
you can find on youtube

1055
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,079
but she recalled the encounter she had

1056
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,520
on january 4 2015

1057
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:25,920
with a group of furry ones

1058
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:29,040
uh part of a larger habitation group uh

1059
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:31,599
habituation group that migrates through

1060
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,720
the area and i heard that many times

1061
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,280
with several the the smallest homesteads

1062
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,160
along the all through the um

1063
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,400
the danae navajo reservation where

1064
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,280
people have been talking about the these

1065
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,680
furry ones just just calmly traversed

1066
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,720
through their

1067
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:50,480
their homesteads their fields you know

1068
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:54,000
it was like second nature to these folks

1069
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,359
so um

1070
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,119
alex at the time was driving a

1071
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,599
four-wheeler on the homestead along with

1072
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,280
her dogs

1073
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,359
when she encountered several huge

1074
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,680
figures hiding behind the cropping of

1075
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,119
trees

1076
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:10,160
it was at that point when three bigfoot

1077
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,359
stepped out

1078
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,760
stunning alex since she had never

1079
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,520
encountered any of these beings

1080
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,440
previously

1081
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,839
her brothers had mentioned that they did

1082
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:21,599
exist but she never believed the

1083
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,800
accounts

1084
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:25,200
and in fact this group of bigfoot had

1085
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,240
been researched by jc and others in the

1086
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:30,000
group for approximately an eight year

1087
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:30,960
period

1088
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,319
and i do remember jc talking about these

1089
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,640
so uh when alex told her mother about

1090
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:38,400
the encounters she referred to the

1091
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,079
bigfoot as her hairy boys

1092
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,119
so their presence was well known now

1093
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,880
the the interesting thing about this

1094
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,480
account was

1095
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,480
alex's description of the largest

1096
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:51,760
bigfoot

1097
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,000
was that it stood approximately 12 foot

1098
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,440
and covered in dark brown hair

1099
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:02,160
uh jc letter later mentioned that the

1100
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,240
bigfoot was known by them as rufus

1101
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,720
and i had heard that name before

1102
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,200
and uh and that they had photographs of

1103
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,440
previous encounters

1104
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,240
alex also said there was a 10 foot big

1105
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,480
foot similar to the description as roof

1106
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,640
of rufus

1107
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,119
similar in description as rufus the

1108
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:25,200
youngest member of the group stood about

1109
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,480
eight foot and had reddish colored hair

1110
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,800
she described that each of the faces

1111
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,960
were mostly hairless with dark brown

1112
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,599
skin flat narrow noses and wide

1113
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:36,960
foreheads

1114
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,599
and she also stated that rufus had large

1115
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,920
bulbous eyes that may have been three

1116
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,079
inches in diameter

1117
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,599
so this was a big boy and um

1118
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,720
as she sat on the four-wheeler

1119
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,319
paralyzed from the shock of this

1120
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,200
encounter she noticed that the 10-foot

1121
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,480
bigfoot made a whistling sound

1122
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,200
her dog zora approached and laid down

1123
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,400
near the youngest member of the trio

1124
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,119
the bigfoot remarkably reached down and

1125
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,680
rubbed zora's ear

1126
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:11,839
as it turns out these bigfoot had

1127
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,960
previously brought bones of kills

1128
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,440
to zora while tied up on the homestead

1129
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:18,960
property at night

1130
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:21,520
the young bigfoot had also been known to

1131
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,319
draw on rocks

1132
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,960
from the information i received from jc

1133
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,200
there are several bigfoot clans in the

1134
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,280
general area

1135
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:33,599
another known group includes an older

1136
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,040
female who has been seen with several

1137
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,119
juveniles over the years

1138
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,200
at one point she had three sons

1139
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,119
traveling with her

1140
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,680
it seems that these hominids are not

1141
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,680
monogamous and that the female in

1142
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:48,960
particular

1143
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,839
had bred with several males in a wide

1144
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,319
migration area

1145
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,560
so at the present time it you know when

1146
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,040
i took this report photographic evidence

1147
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:01,040
was being suppressed

1148
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,160
um

1149
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,720
there was much more research required on

1150
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,599
the various clans within the habit uh

1151
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,520
habituation area

1152
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,240
this is also tribal land and all respect

1153
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,000
to the privacy and customs of the

1154
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:16,720
residents must be maintained and as far

1155
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:20,000
as i know none of that evidence was ever

1156
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,440
revealed

1157
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,480
so i i don't know if you were with jc at

1158
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,160
that time you think he may have been

1159
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,520
summer do you remember any of that

1160
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,200
i'm sorry what was the question do you

1161
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,440
remember do you remember any of that

1162
00:45:37,330 --> 00:45:35,920
account

1163
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,340
uh

1164
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,319
[Music]

1165
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:43,119
not enough just not enough no

1166
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,710
early

1167
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,599
2015

1168
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,440
when it happened so i don't know when

1169
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:53,680
you were with jc

1170
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:56,240
i was there in the year before

1171
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:57,280
okay

1172
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,079
yeah

1173
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,200
honestly i had i

1174
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,599
got on my nose

1175
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,680
i know a lot of was kept quiet

1176
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:07,520
and um yeah

1177
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,400
yeah

1178
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,640
i know that dr christopher who was

1179
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:13,599
involved with the ketchum study

1180
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:15,599
took the actual uh

1181
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,280
dna evidence and submitted it as well

1182
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,599
and when they had a conference about the

1183
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,280
year a year later and i haven't

1184
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:26,160
documented the conference and everything

1185
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,839
uh

1186
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,560
that evidence was presented as well as

1187
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:33,520
jc was there as well for the conference

1188
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,000
and he made his presentation so um

1189
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,920
you know a whole kitchen study and i

1190
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,839
don't know what you you think about this

1191
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,359
area because i know you're so involved

1192
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,319
with bigfoot study and research

1193
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:47,440
um

1194
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,920
dna study

1195
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,440
really

1196
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,520
offered much to

1197
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:57,680
any research of bigfoot

1198
00:47:02,870 --> 00:46:58,480
no

1199
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,880
um i think unfortunately a lot of the

1200
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,040
material was mishandled

1201
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,440
and probably tainted

1202
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,599
um i don't think the study was done

1203
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,680
correctly the way it should have been

1204
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,520
and and i don't think it played any real

1205
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,520
benefit to the community

1206
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:17,440
and unfortunately became a laughingstock

1207
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,589
and that's that's a shame because there

1208
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,960
were some really good researchers that

1209
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,119
were involved with it

1210
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,200
i agree with it i agree with that that's

1211
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,119
more or less what uh

1212
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,520
what i was told as well

1213
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:36,720
well i i believe dr brian sykes probably

1214
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,920
had more to offer in his study

1215
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:42,480
uh but i don't know i don't know if he

1216
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,760
was involved at all with with uh

1217
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:47,359
with ketchum

1218
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,319
uh

1219
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:50,160
derek do you have an answer for that no

1220
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,599
i don't believe he was

1221
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,400
okay

1222
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,760
i think his his

1223
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:56,000
most of his stuff came from meldrum

1224
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,760
and a couple other sources but nothing

1225
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:58,880
came from

1226
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:01,280
from the ketchum study from not just

1227
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,160
that's

1228
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,520
one

1229
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,960
okay

1230
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:08,480
well that's a shame then because you

1231
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,760
know i know jc put a lot of stock

1232
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,079
into that um

1233
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,400
and you're right i i don't think it was

1234
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,640
i don't think it was handled correctly

1235
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:20,720
you know it was interesting i had done

1236
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,520
an

1237
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:23,920
episode of um

1238
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,520
coast to coast back in 2016

1239
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,119
i think it was

1240
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:31,280
and i was in the second the second half

1241
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,640
of the show and

1242
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:35,119
uh melbourne ketchum was actually in the

1243
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,480
first half

1244
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,160
and i i thought there was going to be

1245
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,400
some real promise there i really did i

1246
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:42,079
mean you know the way she explained it

1247
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,359
to um

1248
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,520
and i think that was

1249
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,359
uh george noor who actually did the

1250
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,599
interview in fact i'm pretty sure it was

1251
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,520
because he interviewed me later

1252
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,240
but uh i i had promised for that but

1253
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,640
like you said it it just didn't pan out

1254
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,160
that well and

1255
00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:00,000
and it would have been a great testament

1256
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,640
to to jc's work and research and

1257
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,599
investigations if something would have

1258
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,319
come from that

1259
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:10,000
yeah i'd agree with that

1260
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,359
like i said there were a few other

1261
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,359
researchers who put a lot of effort into

1262
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:15,440
that and collecting samples

1263
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,559
and uh

1264
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,319
unfortunately they got the black eye

1265
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,720
from it

1266
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:22,480
yeah you're right

1267
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:26,400
yeah and uh yeah so unfortunate didn't

1268
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,440
happen

1269
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:30,240
but anyway you know as uh you know not

1270
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:33,920
long after that jc

1271
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,280
moved from the um the four corners area

1272
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:39,520
up into northern

1273
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:42,960
uh minnesota not far from the ojibwe um

1274
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,000
the reservation that was up there

1275
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,400
and uh he lived with a gentleman by the

1276
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,599
name of ron who had a a pretty large

1277
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:53,040
property

1278
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,319
in the area and

1279
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,720
jc's son had been involved with with

1280
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,200
some of the research as well

1281
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:03,760
he had a few other people with him

1282
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:05,839
occasionally

1283
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:08,240
and uh some of the activity that was

1284
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:09,119
most

1285
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,720
interesting up there was some of the

1286
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,800
upright canine activity and a little bit

1287
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,119
of bigfoot active but also

1288
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:17,599
there was some incident of these

1289
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:20,800
these green pudge lucky like

1290
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,119
beings that were being seen in in the

1291
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,280
ferns and such and some there were some

1292
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,599
photographs taken of that as well

1293
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,119
um

1294
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:31,359
do any do either you have any comments

1295
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:38,829
i honestly

1296
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,760
um pudge monkeys are terrifying but i

1297
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,880
i i

1298
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,880
i think jc just like kind of was like

1299
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,559
look this stuff the east coast stuff is

1300
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,079
like not

1301
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,640
yeah i'm not ready for a lot of that

1302
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,559
no but um

1303
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,559
there was great stories i just didn't

1304
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,480
really i was more of like the dog man

1305
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,440
person um or anything like in um

1306
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:04,319
anything on the west coast yes but i had

1307
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,119
those i can't anybody who if any of

1308
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,200
either of you have any stories about

1309
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,200
those they're horrifying

1310
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,440
yeah oh well

1311
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,440
we've been looking at uh butch witkowski

1312
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,200
and i have been looking into the the

1313
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,319
pennsylvania upright canine and dogman

1314
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:22,640
the quadrupeds um

1315
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,480
in pennsylvania now since 2013.

1316
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:28,160
so uh

1317
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,319
yeah actually the the case the case i

1318
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,240
documented

1319
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,480
was titled the little people of northern

1320
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,400
minnesota

1321
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:41,119
and uh if you if you go to that link on

1322
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,319
fam's monsters you will see some of the

1323
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,559
the um

1324
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,400
the photographs that were taken they're

1325
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:50,400
they're very interesting i i

1326
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,440
can't

1327
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,160
make out what the hell those things were

1328
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,559
but they uh they are interesting they're

1329
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,240
kind of two to three foot in height for

1330
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,880
the most part greenish complexion

1331
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,200
and uh they were kind of

1332
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:05,599
living in the dark world of that bracken

1333
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,640
fern that canopies most of the area

1334
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,520
uh during the spring and summer

1335
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,000
but uh you know that was that was a big

1336
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:15,599
investigation that

1337
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,040
jc got involved with at the time

1338
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:21,520
but of course he was more focused on the

1339
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,040
upright canine activity and in fact

1340
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,079
they had attempted to

1341
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,880
to get a video

1342
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:33,839
of an encounter with one of these things

1343
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,520
uh i remember in one instance uh and i

1344
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:39,599
think jane

1345
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,559
uh

1346
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,640
who and i forget james

1347
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:45,280
jane's last name but she used to

1348
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:49,359
be with jc when they was up in minnesota

1349
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,240
uh

1350
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,000
she was on a four-wheeler and i think

1351
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:54,640
jc's son was actually driving

1352
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:58,079
and one of these k upright canines were

1353
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,599
tracking them as they were going through

1354
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:02,160
the property this thing jumped out was

1355
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,599
chasing them

1356
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:06,559
and uh you know from some of the audio

1357
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,760
that i heard of it it was pretty heroin

1358
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:12,240
but they did attempt to do a video later

1359
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:13,520
on

1360
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,000
these things and get some video of it

1361
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,599
didn't turn out to uh there was some

1362
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:22,000
gunfire involved i don't think they hit

1363
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,359
the thing

1364
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,000
but uh it was like i said it was another

1365
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,880
harrowing video that came out of that so

1366
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,520
um you know that's kind of what jc was

1367
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,440
working on

1368
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,480
up until the time he passed and uh you

1369
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,200
know unfortunately jc contracted

1370
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:40,960
pneumonia

1371
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:43,839
and uh you know jay-z wanted an old man

1372
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,319
he was i think he was probably close to

1373
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:48,400
60. i don't even know what his real age

1374
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:49,520
was

1375
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,480
least over a month and um

1376
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,359
we lost him and uh for me that was just

1377
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:59,520
terrible i mean it was 2018 if i

1378
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:00,800
remember

1379
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,160
and uh you know we lost a a very

1380
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:06,800
interesting and important researcher in

1381
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:13,190
yeah you're right it was february

1382
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,559
2018.

1383
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:16,400
never forget it

1384
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:19,599
yeah it's unfortunate that um you know i

1385
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,720
feel like

1386
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:23,040
the older we get um

1387
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:25,599
you know we think we can just handle

1388
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:26,480
being

1389
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,520
sick

1390
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,680
on our own and i think we kind of

1391
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:32,079
downplay that maybe we there maybe we

1392
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,079
need more than just whatever we're doing

1393
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,000
for ourselves at home sometimes

1394
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,000
and you know it can it could become

1395
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:41,200
dangerous and this is a very good um

1396
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:48,950
i called the moon in 2016. and i don't i

1397
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,960
dammer bolt the farm and i didn't

1398
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,880
realize it until i got into i went to

1399
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,160
the hospital

1400
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,640
and after a week staying i fortunately

1401
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,319
recovered from it but

1402
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,319
it still has i still have physical

1403
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,680
effects from it

1404
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,160
so uh yeah it's right you know you think

1405
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,000
you own the world you can do all you

1406
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,319
want and you know jc was that mentality

1407
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,720
he didn't let anything let it down

1408
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,440
and um i don't think he realized how

1409
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,280
sick he actually was and in fact i

1410
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:17,920
remember when ron called me

1411
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,880
and told me uh that jc was in the

1412
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,079
hospital

1413
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,640
and uh you know that they didn't think

1414
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:26,559
he'd be here that long and then a month

1415
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:29,599
later we had lost it and um

1416
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,720
again it was it was tragic

1417
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:34,960
uh but you know these things happen

1418
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:38,319
unfortunately and um

1419
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,599
you know

1420
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:41,440
there's not much else you can say about

1421
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:42,240
it

1422
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:46,400
anybody has really picked up the ball

1423
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,680
and continued on his research

1424
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,440
and uh i don't think we're gonna ever

1425
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,359
have anyone like him

1426
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,599
to do this

1427
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,680
i feel like my two-year-old son i named

1428
00:56:03,190 --> 00:55:59,920
after jc his name is actually johnny

1429
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,200
after jc um he might be him he might be

1430
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,000
reincarnation because this kid i swear

1431
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,520
he's just a little [\h__\h] and i'm like

1432
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,200
you look at me a certain way that jc

1433
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:13,040
would look at me when i was being you

1434
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,920
know maybe not the nicest person he

1435
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,200
looks at me with the same look and i'm

1436
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:19,119
like it just goes right to my core and

1437
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,400
i'm just like don't you ever look at me

1438
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,839
like that again

1439
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,599
but it just reminds me so much of them

1440
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:24,960
it's just weird but i mean it's

1441
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,280
wonderful to you know yeah i don't think

1442
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,599
i've i've recovered from it actually i

1443
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,280
mean i think about jc all the time

1444
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,960
especially when i something will come up

1445
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,720
from an old investigation or somebody

1446
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:36,319
asked me about it

1447
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,760
and uh you know

1448
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,079
he was a he was an old standby from for

1449
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,559
arcane radio for a long time and of

1450
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,079
course with uh

1451
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:49,280
beyond the edge so um

1452
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,319
you know

1453
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:52,720
we will miss him and we do miss him and

1454
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,760
uh you know so eric you got anything to

1455
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,839
follow up with before we close up the

1456
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:58,960
show

1457
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,119
no just that i really enjoyed

1458
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,359
the time i had with jc getting to know

1459
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,640
him and talk with him and share the

1460
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,480
stories and he was one of my favorite

1461
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:08,160
guests on the show we always had a great

1462
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:09,040
time

1463
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:10,640
even when he fell asleep at the end of

1464
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:15,270
yeah

1465
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,640
oh my gosh

1466
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:18,319
oh he did that a lot

1467
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,680
yeah

1468
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,680
we'd be talking away and asking him

1469
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,359
questions and carrying on a conversation

1470
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,440
and there'd be silence on his end and we

1471
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,079
both try sleeping try sleeping in a tent

1472
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:30,079
next to that guy in a bedroom next to

1473
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,200
him

1474
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,520
you don't get any sleep you learn to use

1475
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,760
headphones or something because it's

1476
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:36,880
literally

1477
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:39,040
the in the night oh my gosh i can't even

1478
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,319
we don't even need to go into that but

1479
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:42,319
yeah i know exactly what you're talking

1480
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,119
about

1481
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:45,200
yeah well you know david has david

1482
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:46,880
woodley has mentioned the same thing to

1483
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:49,440
me just sleeping in the tent beside him

1484
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:52,400
and uh yeah

1485
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,079
it's like a freight train rolling by

1486
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,839
yeah every every creature in the forest

1487
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,680
knew jc was asleep in the tent that's

1488
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,920
all i can say so um

1489
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,680
well i want to thank you two for joining

1490
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,079
me this evening uh this is an this was a

1491
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:05,920
very interesting show

1492
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:08,079
and i've always wanted to put something

1493
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:09,920
out there you know

1494
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:13,119
commemorating jc's work and his life

1495
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,000
so

1496
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,160
you know i you know i've i talked you

1497
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,480
know before jc passed away

1498
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:20,720
he and i had talked about writing a book

1499
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,440
about his exploits

1500
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:24,960
uh

1501
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,520
which i haven't done and out of respect

1502
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,200
for the family but

1503
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,359
i will put it out there if anybody ever

1504
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:33,760
wants me to document it or write it i'd

1505
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:36,559
be more than pleased to do so

1506
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,680
so uh but summer and uh eric i want to

1507
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:41,200
thank you both for joining me this

1508
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,319
evening

1509
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:44,240
thank you so much for having us for

1510
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:45,280
having me

1511
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:48,160
you both take care

1512
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,839
thank you now if you have an unexplained

1513
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:53,280
encounter of sighting feel free to

1514
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:54,640
contact me through the phantoms of

1515
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,119
monsters blog site i once again thank

1516
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,440
summer lowry and eric altman for joining

1517
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,440
me this evening and thanks to each and

1518
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,319
all you for watching and chatting uh if

1519
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,400
you made a super chat donation is truly

1520
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,400
appreciated your support is what makes

1521
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,960
this possible please like subscribe

1522
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:12,799
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1523
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:16,000
uh next week's show i be honest with you

1524
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:17,920
i got in here late and didn't even

1525
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:20,960
remember who's gonna be on but

1526
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,359
we'll be here next week with the show so

1527
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:25,200
until then

1528
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:28,000
uh you know be safe have an enjoyable

1529
00:59:39,110 --> 00:59:29,119
weekend

1530
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:51,760
[Music]

1531
00:59:51,770 --> 01:00:16,820
[Applause]